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To others, I think it's like trying to tell them that everything they believed in, is now false, changing history if you will, so denial is how they cope with it. The letter can be as little as, when it left the polishing room and shipped, to sometimes any special features, if it was returned for repairs or modifications, and who it was shipped to. I have a Model 1873 carbine that reportedly came off a ranch Oregon that is brown and worn and looks like it is was used to hunt Wooly Mammoths during the last Ice Ages. but I have zero data how many model 54's came with a stainless barrel, let alone that year and thank you Trap, can I hit you up also? Thanks, Geologyjohn John, yours made 1900, 14,629 made that year. Obviously heavily used in a saddle scabbard, horse had cribbed half the buttstock off, you could still see the teeth marks on it!I have joined with some others, with a determined mission to set the record straight..Winchester at a time if we have to. I have a Model 1873 carbine that reportedly came off a ranch Oregon that is brown and worn and looks like it is was used to hunt Wooly Mammoths during the last Ice Ages. Cleaned it up, replaced the stock with an original, and was surprised to find the action locked up tight as new! I learned a valuable lesson the hard way about 73's, while checking for function before I shot it. 295951B, made 1889, 38,651 made that year, PR records on both.Next time I talk to him, I'll see what he has for you. I'd love to collect more details about the old hammer. has 2 tapped drill holes on side of rear receiver, I dunno what a sniper grade is? it would appear that mine is a std grade, thank you again, what a fantastic resource you offer!! BTW gentleman, you are all most welcome for the info!The Model 54 Snipers rifle had a carbine style barrel band w/sling swivel and.....a peep sight mounted on the rear receiver bridge. iin your spare time, if you happen to remember, how many ss were made would be totally awesome!! It's been fun digging in these serial number records, I'm learning something too!A man named George Madis compiled the Winchester DOM's after he salvaged the Winchester records from a dumpster. Unfortunately, many of the records were destroyed or missing, so he simply made up the rest.The Winchester collector world accepted his word on all things Winchester as gospel. My friend Bert Hartman among others started digging around in the Cody Museum basement, and discovered boxes full of microfilm containing all the Polishing Room Records.Since the Madis information was never questioned, until now, it was taken as gospel and reprinted almost everywhere you seek the info.The Blue Book of Gun Values has now been the first source to the public, to print the revised DOM's.....

it would appear that mine is a std grade, thank you again, what a fantastic resource you offer!!iin your spare time, if you happen to remember, how many ss were made would be totally awesome!! freonr22, just got off the phone with Bert, man talk about information overload!:eek: You get him started on Winchester stuff and your head will explode!It's been know for years that his info was incorrect, but until now, no one has done anything to correct it. Bruce, I'll have to ask Bert about your serial number to be sure, but I "think" some of those may have been parts clean up. The S/N is stamped on the bottom of the reciever where the barrel mates & on the bottom of the trigger guard. I have the newly updated dates of manufacture, and production numbers for Winchesters. Interesting note, in the following year, only 477 were produced. Where on the stock is the serial number, and how was it applied?Even now, The Blue Book still refuses to correct their data. Right now I have early 1949, with 20,860 made that year. Larry Shennum and Bert Hartman just compiled these dates from the Winchester Polishing Room records, and miles of microfilm converted to jpg. The dates in the Blue Book, and any you find online, are based on the Madis data, and are severely flawed. :eek: Post the model and serial number, use X's if you're worried about that stuff, but give me at least the first 3 digits, and I'll give you the DOM, and production numbers if I have them. Win m1911 12ga shotgun #(a)136xx Thank you Unfortunately, your Model 1911 was one model that was serialized, and no reliable records have been found as of yet.:( All I have on it is, they were made between 19, with a total of 82,744 made.

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